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darthspudius: and I'm sure they couldn't give a toss! lol
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rampancy: ...but if enough people do that, or come together and express a joint message saying "No DRM-free, No sale", it could be enough to at least raise it as an issue among a publisher/developer. For example, in my experience, when looking at KS/IGG game pitches, I'm seeing more and more instances of people asking if there will be a DRM-free version on either GOG or Humble, and I've seen more crowdfunded games address this issue directly in their pitches.

Yes, it's a long way from something like the effort that got Dark Souls on the PC, but I feel like it's a step in the right direction.
Seconded. I've started doing this with games I would like to see on GOG. I'm not sure if we could help automate the process (maybe using online petitions so we could collect a load of signitures and then send then all in one bundle).

Of course the second order for business would be GOG signing up and then building the game into their system with the installer / Galaxy compatibility etc.
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koima57: It is fairly agreeable the vast majority of consumers back then were not purchasing here for the "DRM Free" priority, rather simply to buy GOOD OLD GAMES.
Sorry to disagree but I started shopping here on gog exactly because of DRM-free, it is crucial to me.
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koima57: It is fairly agreeable the vast majority of consumers back then were not purchasing here for the "DRM Free" priority, rather simply to buy GOOD OLD GAMES.
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mobutu: Sorry to disagree but I started shopping here on gog exactly because of DRM-free, it is crucial to me.
I am sorry to disagree with you, but I started shopping here on gOg exactly because they sold old games. DRM free or not was not crucial to me.
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mobutu: Sorry to disagree but I started shopping here on gog exactly because of DRM-free, it is crucial to me.
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amok: I am sorry to disagree with you, but I started shopping here on gOg exactly because they sold old games. DRM free or not was not crucial to me.
Can I play too?
Sorry to disagree but I started shopping here because it was new and not one of the digital distribution behemoths.

;-)
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koima57: To witness every time one forum user voice the slightest liking for other places to purchase game(s) from, being argued and / or his / her expressed opinion buried (low rated) under the almighty "DRM Free Revolution" bandwagon, forum users for diligent and free "workers", with a grin because their salary is made of ego pampering from GOG's Hell smart business policies, of being part of their "Revolution"!
I'm pretty confident that it wasn't the fact that you expressed a preference for steam that got you downvoted. Plenty of other people have been able to express a preference for steam without being downvoted. (That's a hint, by the way.)
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koima57: To witness every time one forum user voice the slightest liking for other places to purchase game(s) from, being argued and / or his / her expressed opinion buried (low rated) under the almighty "DRM Free Revolution" bandwagon, forum users for diligent and free "workers", with a grin because their salary is made of ego pampering from GOG's Hell smart business policies, of being part of their "Revolution"!
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ncameron: I'm pretty confident that it wasn't the fact that you expressed a preference for steam that got you downvoted. Plenty of other people have been able to express a preference for steam without being downvoted. (That's a hint, by the way.)
Oh, but my insight is reasonably aware about this. The cause is this other person quoting me and misinterpreting my word "craze", taking offense that got the wrong people jumping at the - sign more and more, lemmings style.

You really have here, an accurate demonstration of GOG's "community" fantastic hive mind in action, the "Revolution" in all its glory!
Post edited February 17, 2015 by koima57
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amok: I am sorry to disagree with you, but I started shopping here on gOg exactly because they sold old games. DRM free or not was not crucial to me.
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anomaly: Can I play too?
Sorry to disagree but I started shopping here because it was new and not one of the digital distribution behemoths.

;-)
no no no. You are not doing it right. You have to say something about DRM, this is, after all, the DRM free forums on DRM free gOg, so all DRM free forum threads must talk about DRM. I think it is stated somewhere in the DRM free ToS.
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anomaly: Can I play too?
Sorry to disagree but I started shopping here because it was new and not one of the digital distribution behemoths.

;-)
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amok: no no no. You are not doing it right. You have to say something about DRM, this is, after all, the DRM free forums on DRM free gOg, so all DRM free forum threads must talk about DRM. I think it is stated somewhere in the DRM free ToS.
In that case I started shopping here because while DRM may or may not have been a topic for me at the time, it was still a new storefront and not one of the digital distribution behemoths.

:-D

(however, over time, especially owing to issues like the retraction of Fallout, etc. I have come to love the DRM free aspect and will buy here for preference over other stores)
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amok: no no no. You are not doing it right. You have to say something about DRM, this is, after all, the DRM free forums on DRM free gOg, so all DRM free forum threads must talk about DRM. I think it is stated somewhere in the DRM free ToS.
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anomaly: In that case I started shopping here because while DRM may or may not have been a topic for me at the time, it was still a new storefront and not one of the digital distribution behemoths.

:-D

(however, over time, especially owing to issues like the retraction of Fallout, etc. I have come to love the DRM free aspect and will buy here for preference over other stores)
You lost me, why does Fallout matter at all? If they're that desperate to play it they can buy the disc, pirate it or buy and/or crack the steam edition.
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amok: no no no. You are not doing it right. You have to say something about DRM, this is, after all, the DRM free forums on DRM free gOg, so all DRM free forum threads must talk about DRM. I think it is stated somewhere in the DRM free ToS.
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anomaly: In that case I started shopping here because while DRM may or may not have been a topic for me at the time, it was still a new storefront and not one of the digital distribution behemoths.

:-D

(however, over time, especially owing to issues like the retraction of Fallout, etc. I have come to love the DRM free aspect and will buy here for preference over other stores)
that's much better!
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anomaly: In that case I started shopping here because while DRM may or may not have been a topic for me at the time, it was still a new storefront and not one of the digital distribution behemoths.

:-D

(however, over time, especially owing to issues like the retraction of Fallout, etc. I have come to love the DRM free aspect and will buy here for preference over other stores)
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darthspudius: You lost me, why does Fallout matter at all? If they're that desperate to play it they can buy the disc, pirate it or buy and/or crack the steam edition.
Fallout and Fallout 2 were removed from sale on GOG. However, because they are here DRM free GOG was not required to remove them from the game libraries of those people who had already purchased the games. On other services if this had happened then we might have actually lost the games from our own libraries as well, and not been reimbursed either.

That is why it matters.
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darthspudius: You lost me, why does Fallout matter at all? If they're that desperate to play it they can buy the disc, pirate it or buy and/or crack the steam edition.
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anomaly: Fallout and Fallout 2 were removed from sale on GOG. However, because they are here DRM free GOG was not required to remove them from the game libraries of those people who had already purchased the games. On other services if this had happened then we might have actually lost the games from our own libraries as well, and not been reimbursed either.

That is why it matters.
It does not matter whether it is DRM free or not. Steam do also not remove games from your library if they do no longer sell a game, neither do any other games store out there that I know about.

It is all to do with licenses. If Bethesda (for some very weird reason and a wish to do PR suicide) decides that gOg is no longer allowed to let gOg owners of the Fallout license download the game from gOg, gOg have to remove it from the libraries. Even if it is DRM free or not.
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amok: It does not matter whether it is DRM free or not. Steam do also not remove games from your library if they do no longer sell a game, neither do any other games store out there that I know about.
This is true.

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amok: It is all to do with licenses. If Bethesda (for some very weird reason and a wish to do PR suicide) decides that gOg is no longer allowed to let gOg owners of the Fallout license download the game from gOg, gOg have to remove it from the libraries. Even if it is DRM free or not.
On the other hand, I'm not sure about this -for the same reason I said the first part was true. It might be not the case for each country in the world, but I'm fairly sure that what has been bought legally cannot be retroactively removed. Unless the possibility has been specifically described in the EULA (see for example DRMs that limit the number of installations) doing this would be a violation of the consumer's rights, so regardelss of the store I think nobody should worry much about that -as long as they carefully read the terms of what they are buying.

For the specific case of Fallout 1-2-Tactics: the copies here were sold with Interplay's terms, and it wold be legally impossible for Bethesda to change them.
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amok: It does not matter whether it is DRM free or not. Steam do also not remove games from your library if they do no longer sell a game, neither do any other games store out there that I know about.
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Enebias: This is true.

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amok: It is all to do with licenses. If Bethesda (for some very weird reason and a wish to do PR suicide) decides that gOg is no longer allowed to let gOg owners of the Fallout license download the game from gOg, gOg have to remove it from the libraries. Even if it is DRM free or not.
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Enebias: On the other hand, I'm not sure about this -for the same reason I said the first part was true. It might be not the case for each country in the world, but I'm fairly sure that what has been bought legally cannot be retroactively removed. Unless the possibility has been specifically described in the EULA (see for example DRMs that limit the number of installations) doing this would be a violation of the consumer's rights, so regardelss of the store I think nobody should worry much about that -as long as they carefully read the terms of what they are buying.

For the specific case of Fallout 1-2-Tactics: the copies here were sold with Interplay's terms, and it wold be legally impossible for Bethesda to change them.
Licenses are as licenses do, and it all depends. I am saying if an enforcement from where-ever happens (fallout is just an illustration) then gOg have to abide with it and remove the games from the library. It do not matter if the games is DRM free or not in this regards.
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xyem: I contact the developer/publisher and tell them that have (actually!) lost a sale due to being Steam-exclusive and that I will buy it as soon as they make it DRM-free.
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darthspudius: and I'm sure they couldn't give a toss! lol
Am sure they could, and you entire life story has been recorded on a "you are a pirate" database for future reference.

@amok, it would be an interesting poll, I for one am here for both old games and *only* drm free. I would never even consider using Steam/Origin or any rent-ware site of any kind.