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Khadgar42: Simple answer: Not to Steam.

But I don't want to say anything already said so I'm going to say something new:

I have exactly 300 games on my Steam library right now
, but the moment I achieve World Domination I don't care for my upcoming hypocritical double standards any more and I will purge Steam, Gabe and Valve from the annals of the history and go on a witch hunt persecuting every steam user with my secret police, torturing them with all sorts of my sadistically devises torture mechanisms I will invent for the occasion.

If that doesn't convince you yet I may inform you that in any case as an avatar of Yog Sototh I will haunt you in your dreams until you grow increasingly insane losing your grip on reality. As the ancient scriptures have foretold I will primarily target Steam users. Because of reasons that are of a non-euclidic geometry that mere mortals wouldn't understand.

Well if you still aren't convinced by these two threats you might found out that steam users are rather delusional (as proven by my example) and you probably don't want to be one of those...

So get the f*ck away from that horrible platform while you can...
I wonder what torture mechanisms you are using. Forcing people to play always online DRM games on a 56kb modem? No food if they cannot beat the game, no matter they cannot beat the game due to being kick out of the game frequently?
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clisair: One thing that I have noticed, generally (there are always exceptions) The younger generation tend to favor Steam for the I gotta have it now group. On the other hand, if you grew up seeing an Apollo rocket lift off and played with a trash80 or C64 or even a 386 or 486, you tend to not like steam.

We Oldies like to have physical copies, when we can and are not too worried about an occasional disconnect, as long as we can play the games that we bought. We like the feel of ownership and not feel like we have bought a subscription that can be yanked away on a whim.

Any thoughts?
Speak for yourself... "we" oldies are joyous finally getting rid of physical copies
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clisair: One thing that I have noticed, generally (there are always exceptions) The younger generation tend to favor Steam for the I gotta have it now group. On the other hand, if you grew up seeing an Apollo rocket lift off and played with a trash80 or C64 or even a 386 or 486, you tend to not like steam.

We Oldies like to have physical copies, when we can and are not too worried about an occasional disconnect, as long as we can play the games that we bought. We like the feel of ownership and not feel like we have bought a subscription that can be yanked away on a whim.

Any thoughts?
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I dislike Steam as the STEAM EULA states you have NO ownership rights to the license to the software you purchase.
*Exception to this maybe being parts of Europe.

With GOG, last time I checked (barring the new changes in the GOG EULA?) I have a legal right to the license of the software, additionally I have a installer that does NOT, I repeat does NOT require it dialing home to DRM servers to "ask" for permission to install software purchased.

10,000 years from now a title sold thru GOG would still work. Doubt if STEAM would be around, nor would allow you to install anything.... you know with all software being subscription based in the future with licenses that expire each year.

* Right now I'm not loving STEAM as I haven't been able to print out a receipt when I activate a game via a key code within the Steam DRM Client since AUGUST 2014.
(Problem is within the client, Aug 2014 update broke the print function.)
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/lets_see_you_can_fiqure_this_out_steam_print_receipt_function_printing_gribbish

*Steam not bothering to fix a simple Print Receipt function within the Steam Client since Aug-2015, and it being Feb-2015 now does not inspire confidence in the day Steam closes day /get sold off (More likely scenario when Gabe retires soon) that Steam /Valve will be of any assistance in providing key codes those that sold the game thru Steam would honor, help in any way if some kind of data snafu occurred if any company bought them out.

*Oh, some have suggested the data just isn't there anymore as the reason the Print function is broken, well I had (1) PC that hadn't gotten the Aug-2014 and newer updates that would print out the receipts properly until I stupidly allowed it to "update".

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I dislike any kind of DRM as:

1: One day the activation servers will go down. Company gets sold, data gets lost.
2: You have to deactivate installs of xyz game (Not a big deal if you have like 10 games, but a real hassle if you have a sizeable game collection of say several hundred plus.)
3: There is no reason for DRM to be in games which are below a certain price point. DRM should be reserved for "Zero- Day" titles (New big bucks releases). There are studies which back this up.

(If I was running the world I would require DRM be patched OUT with 360 days of a titles release.
*Note that the CEO of I think StartForce posted something along the same lines as the costs of keeping those DRM servers up doesn't decrease, yet as the software ages not many people are going to pirate... especially when the price drops.)

4: All the money and effort that went into adding DRM could have been applied towards the software itself, or could be applied if the length of DRM "protection" was reduced.
EG: Reduce the length DRM company has to provide support= a reduced amount paid to DRM company= means more money could go into fixing problems the software may have.
Post edited February 19, 2015 by WeAreNotAlone
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clisair: One thing that I have noticed, generally (there are always exceptions) The younger generation tend to favor Steam for the I gotta have it now group. On the other hand, if you grew up seeing an Apollo rocket lift off and played with a trash80 or C64 or even a 386 or 486, you tend to not like steam.

We Oldies like to have physical copies, when we can and are not too worried about an occasional disconnect, as long as we can play the games that we bought. We like the feel of ownership and not feel like we have bought a subscription that can be yanked away on a whim.

Any thoughts?
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amok: Speak for yourself... "we" oldies are joyous finally getting rid of physical copies
This.

I'm not a big Steam fan but my current addiction (Civ V) is there, I do enjoy not having to put a disk in when I play it. I love GOG for being DRM free but I love them more for making games playable on modern platforms. They do not guaranty this but I expect most of the games I bought here to be still playable on a future version of my O.S. in 10 years, something I cannot say for Steam.
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clisair: One thing that I have noticed, generally (there are always exceptions) The younger generation tend to favor Steam for the I gotta have it now group. On the other hand, if you grew up seeing an Apollo rocket lift off and played with a trash80 or C64 or even a 386 or 486, you tend to not like steam.

We Oldies like to have physical copies, when we can and are not too worried about an occasional disconnect, as long as we can play the games that we bought. We like the feel of ownership and not feel like we have bought a subscription that can be yanked away on a whim.

Any thoughts?
I certainly don't share that sentiment. I still remember my c64 with cartridges and tapedeck, but I also remember my piles and piles of 51/4 floppies, 3,5" disks, CD's, DVD's.

I relished the digital age. I'm done with managing my library and disk space(s). I highly value the cloud service part of my purchase. Even if GOG went down eventually and I neatly had all my games backed up (really unlikely), I'd still look for sales to repurchase them on new services, simply to have the digital backup.
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Zookie: I am a big fan of GOG. It is by far my favorite digital distribution site. But Steam has always, and is likely to remain so for the foreseeable future, the 800 pound gorilla in the room. What do you do if there is a game on Steam that you really want but you are unable to get it elsewhere? I have never thought much about this until the Homeworld Remastered release.

Do you just buy it on Steam and just let the lost potential revenue for GOG to be a motivator to add the titles that are being bought up at other distributors?

Do you buy on Steam and then later, if GOG gets it, buy it again to support GOG to support its DRM free philosophy and its focus on resurrecting old games?

Or do you refuse to support Steam and just hold out and buy the game you want when it shows up on GOG or another a less draconian distributor? Regardless of the time it takes?
I avoid Steam as much as possible. I make the odd acceptation when they have a game I really like, but even then I will find a way to get it working without needing Steam. As far as I'm aware this is legal if you own the copy.

The reasons i hate Steam are as follows:
1.DRM you own nothing, you can only rent Steam games, if you have no internet or their severs are busy no game for you.

2. Regional pricing. Games are $100 USD for my region enough said.

3. no money back grantee.

4. No quality control. A lot of their games are buggy and won't work on new systems.

5. Really shade busyness practice. One example is the soundtracks from GTA being removed in an update. This is actually illegal and violates consumer rights.
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Magmarock: 5. Really shade busyness practice. One example is the soundtracks from GTA being removed in an update. This is actually illegal and violates consumer rights.
I asked in a GOG's topic for a change in GOG's user license, to keep bought game the way it was when you buy it. But, GOG's employee said that this is impossible.
So, if you do not download your games on GOG, you will be screwed in the same manner as steam users.
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Magmarock: 5. Really shade busyness practice. One example is the soundtracks from GTA being removed in an update. This is actually illegal and violates consumer rights.
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vsr: I asked in a GOG's topic for a change in GOG's user license, to keep bought game the way it was when you buy it. But, GOG's employee said that this is impossible.
So, if you do not download your games on GOG, you will be screwed in the same manner as steam users.
Slightly off-topic, but I do wonder if one has a physical copy of san andreas and installs it, does the game patch out the songs?
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KneeTheCap: Slightly off-topic, but I do wonder if one has a physical copy of san andreas and installs it, does the game patch out the songs?
Of course not. :)
If you have a DVD with the game, you'll be good. You'll have all the soundtracks.
Steam won't touch them, if you were wondering.
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KneeTheCap: Slightly off-topic, but I do wonder if one has a physical copy of san andreas and installs it, does the game patch out the songs?
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vsr: Of course not. :)
If you have a DVD with the game, you'll be good. You'll have all the soundtracks.
Steam won't touch them, if you were wondering.
No no, I don't mean steam. I just wondered if rockstar itself released some kind of "patch" for those. I dunno, it's been a while since I actually installed a retail game.
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Magmarock: 5. Really shade busyness practice. One example is the soundtracks from GTA being removed in an update. This is actually illegal and violates consumer rights.
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vsr: I asked in a GOG's topic for a change in GOG's user license, to keep bought game the way it was when you buy it. But, GOG's employee said that this is impossible.
So, if you do not download your games on GOG, you will be screwed in the same manner as steam users.
I don't think GOG have ever removed content from a game like that though. Even the games that are no longer on sale and still be bought. It's not that the game was changed it's that the content was taken out and that made the game objectively worse.
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vsr: Of course not. :)
If you have a DVD with the game, you'll be good. You'll have all the soundtracks.
Steam won't touch them, if you were wondering.
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KneeTheCap: No no, I don't mean steam. I just wondered if rockstar itself released some kind of "patch" for those. I dunno, it's been a while since I actually installed a retail game.
If nothing changed, all retail dvd's of gta san andreas had version 2.0. There was no patch for DVD version.
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KneeTheCap: No no, I don't mean steam. I just wondered if rockstar itself released some kind of "patch" for those. I dunno, it's been a while since I actually installed a retail game.
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vsr: If nothing changed, all retail dvd's of gta san andreas had version 2.0. There was no patch for DVD version.
Ah, okay. Thank you :)
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vsr: I asked in a GOG's topic for a change in GOG's user license, to keep bought game the way it was when you buy it. But, GOG's employee said that this is impossible.
So, if you do not download your games on GOG, you will be screwed in the same manner as steam users.
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Magmarock: I don't think GOG have ever removed content from a game like that though. Even the games that are no longer on sale and still be bought. It's not that the game was changed it's that the content was taken out and that made the game objectively worse.
To make myself clear, i'll post here my plea to GOG, regarding license change, and an answer i got (which is fair enough, btw):

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/upcoming_update_to_gogcom_policies/post135
Also this should be added:
7.3 If publisher didn't mentioned on the game's page that he used 3rd-party licensed content (e.g. music) and after some period of time this license expired, we will let you keep your game on your account in the same way it appeared the day you bought it, with all content in place (music and whatnot).

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/upcoming_update_to_gogcom_policies/post153
Q: You asked about removing content.

A: There are actually two questions here: Would we remove GOG services, and would we remove GOG content.
Regarding GOG services - yes, we might add some features and remove others (for example, if they are not working properly or you guys don’t like them).
Regarding GOG content - we do all we can not to have that happen, but sometimes part of our content has to be removed due to license expiries (on music for example) on the developers’ or publishers’ end - therefore, we don’t know too far ahead of time until an element of content needs to be taken down, just like you.
Still, we'll be always trying to inform you in advance if we would have to remove something. And remember: thanks to all GOG content being DRM-free, you can always back things up on your HDD to avoid problems with availability!
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Gnostic: [...] I wonder what torture mechanisms you are using. Forcing people to play always online DRM games on a 56kb modem? No food if they cannot beat the game, no matter they cannot beat the game due to being kick out of the game frequently?
Future tense: "I will be using..."

Well most of it is classified, but related to video games it already leaked that I will be giving you a pet, which you will adore and grow fond of and then torture it while you have to play all shitty greenlit games of the last couple of years.
Additionally you will have to watch someone's demented grandma playing until she unlocks the level, before that you can't progress in the story either. If she dies or falls asleep in front of the PC you are stuck on that level. If she can't figure the controls you are stuck in the main menu.